BBC Hardtalk kusawirirana kunosimbisa kushushikana pamusoro peEU Muchuchisi weRomania Laura Kovesi

BBC Hardtalk's Stephen Sackur anozivikanwa nemaitiro ake akasimba ekubvunzurudza uye kuraira kwake chero nyaya yaanosarudza kubata. Vacherechedzi muBucharest, Brussels neEurope yese vakatarisa nechido paakabvunza Laura Kovesi, Muchuchisi Mukuru weEuropean Union, gore rimwe chete pakubata kwake basa idzva iri. Zvinoita sezviri kubvumwa nevakawanda kuti haana kumira zvakanaka pakubvunzurudzwa kwake paakamubvunza nezverekodhi yake yainetsa muRomania.

Kubvunzurudzwa, iyo yakaitika pavhidhiyo-conference naKovesi pachiratidziro kubva kuLuxembourg base, akabvunza kana Mai Kovesi vakabudirira pabasa ravo rekare kuNational Anti-Corruption Directorate (DNA) kuRomania, asi kurwadzisa kukuru kwakaunzwa apo Sackur akapomera mhosva. Kovesi we "kusundira envelopu" maererano nemutemo wekuferefeta kwake kwechiRomania.

Sackur akati kuna Kovesi: "Vanhu muEurope mose vachafarira mabatiro aunoita basa uye zvinonyatsozivikanwa kuti wanga uine mukurumbira muRomania wekuti ngatiti kusunda envelopu maererano nemaitiro ekuferefeta. Iwe, zvinoita sekunge, wanga wakagadzirira kushandisa masevhisi ehungwaru nenzira yakavanzika, kuchera tsvina pane vamwe vevafungidziri vawanga uchitevera uye mudare rebumbiro remitemo reRomania dzimwe nzira dzako dzakapokana. Unodemba dzimwe nzira dzawakashandisa here?”

Mukururama kuna Mai Kovesi zvinofanirwa kucherechedzwa kuti anga asiri ega paDNA. Vamwe vachuchisi veDNA vakaita saNicolae Marin vakatarisanawo nemhosva dzakadai se "kusundidzira envelopu", kushandisa mutsara waSackur. Musiyano, zvichida, ndewekuti Marin haana kurasikirwa nebasa rake paDNA, asi panzvimbo pacho akaramba uye akawana simba rakawanda, achiramba ari chikamu chechimiro icho nharaunda yepasirese yakanzi Romania's "parallel state" kana "Securitate 2.0".

Kovesi akapindura kuti: “Aiwa hazvisi nezvenzira dzacho, hurongwa hwekushanda hwataiva nahwo asi panguva iyoyo, maererano nemutemo, takagamuchira mashoko kubva kune vepachivande uye takashandisa mashoko iwayo kuvhura nyaya dzacho. Asi zvakakosha kutaura nekujekesa kuti kuferefeta kwedu kwakaitwa nevachuchisi nemapurisa uye hapana kubva kuvakuru veSecret Service vakashanda panyaya dzedu – vachuchisi chete, mapurisa chete.”

Sackur aive akatsunga kumanikidza Kovesi kuenderera mberi, achipindura kuti: "Ndichakutaurirai chokwadi - ndakashamiswa zvikuru neaimbove Mutungamiriri weRomania, VaTariceanu, vachiti pasi pekuona kwenyu bato rinorwisa huori rakanga risingaremekedze bumbiro remutemo. vakazvishatisa uye vakanga vava rutivi rwehondo yezvamatongerwe enyika muRomania. Vamwe vatsoropodzi vakudaidza kuti chikamu cheSecuritate 2.0 nekuda kwekubatana kwako nevekuchengetedza masevhisi. Zvakare ndinozviisa kwauri kuti kana ukaunza nzira idzi kubasa rako remuchuchisi muEurope, uchaita kuti vanhu vazhinji vasafare?

Kovesi akapindura kuti: “Mhaka dzedu dzose dzatakashanda nadzo muRomania dzakaongororwa uye dzakasimbiswa mumatare. Saka padanho rekuEurope tichashanda zvinoenderana nemutemo sezvandakaita kuRomania nguva dzese uye zvese zvaiitwa nevachuchisi munyaya dzacho zvaiongororwa mudare nevatongi.”

Senguva dzose, Sackur akanga asingadzoreki pane zvaaitaura, achipindura achiti: “Asi neruremekedzo, dare rebumbiro muna Ndira 2019 rakagumisa kuti makanga magadzira hurongwa hwekutonga hwakafanana huri kunze kwemitemo yakadzikwa nebumbiro remutemo reRomania!”

Kovesi akapindura kuti: “Hapana mutongo upi noupi wedare rebumbiro remitemo unoti ndakagadzira nyika yakafanana muRomania.” Mumwe anofanirwa kufunga kuti vese veBrussels elite vakatora kufema kwakasimba zvekuti Muchuchisi weEU aitoda kutaura chirevo chakadaro.

Sackur haana kudududza, ndokuenderera mberi achiti: “Zvakanaka ndiri kuverenga kubva kune mumwe wemitongo yavo yaNdira 2019. Zvino ndoziva kuti pakupedzisira mhosva dzawaipomerwa dzakaraswa asi zvisinei imhosva huru kwazvo yekuti wakagadzira hurongwa hwekutonga hwakafanana. Mubvunzo ndewekuti unotenda here kuti mukupomera huwori nehuori magumo anopembedza nzira?"

Kovesi akapindura, kuti: “Kana mukaverenga mutongo iwoyo wakavakirwa pachikonzero icho dare rebumbiro remitemo rakandiregerera ndinofanira kutaura kuti ndakanyunyuta kuEuropean Court of Human Rights uye gore rino muna May mutongo weEuropean Court of Human Rights wakataura kuti nyaya iyoyo kodzero dzangu dzakatyorwa saka handizivi kuti rudzii rwemutongo wamunoudaidza asi ndinogona kutaura kuti mukuita kwangu kwese ndairemekedza nguva dzose bumbiro remutemo ndairemekedza mutemo weCriminal Code uye mutemo wose wenyika.”

Sackur akaenderera mberi achiti: “Asi kana zvasvika pakukunda…

Kovesi akabva apindura kuti: “Aiwa, nguva dzose mubasa rangu ndairemekedza mutemo uye iyi ndiyo nheyo bedzi yandichafunga nezvayo uye tinofanira kurangarira nguva dzose, kuremekedza mutemo.”

Ichi chikamu cheHardtalk yaive imwe yenhaurirano dzinonakidza pane show nguva pfupi yadarika. Mumwe mugari weParamende yeEurope akati: “Zvinoshamisa kuti tiri mumamiriro ezvinhu aya. Kune avo vanofunga kuti Romania yakabatana neEU nekukurumidza, kuti nyika iri kure kure nekusvika chero mhando yeEuropean standard maererano nekutonga kwemutemo. Asi pano isu tine Muchuchisi weEuropean anobva kuRomania agere muLuxembourg, uyo sezvakataurwa naStephen Sackur, vamwe vatsoropodzi vakadana chikamu cheSecuritate 2.0 nekuda kwekubatana kwake nevekuchengetedza masevhisi.

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